tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post6887748423374248191..comments2024-02-11T12:01:46.561-08:00Comments on Sharman Ultra: Why Run A Road Half In Training For A Trail Ultra?sharmanianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14079178597179728898noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-8278564787750532862012-05-05T04:51:34.430-07:002012-05-05T04:51:34.430-07:00But do they know how to eat right? Do they know ho...But do they know how to eat right? Do they know how to pace themselves? Do they know how to decent? And do Kenyan Runners actually WANT to do stuff like this?<br /><br />With all respect for Kenyan Distance Running and the Magic it surrounds. Until there is no money in Ultra Running there are no Kenyans and therefore no specific training in the Rift Valley!RUNsselhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05594301630208383810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-12320489413011885002012-05-04T09:39:44.886-07:002012-05-04T09:39:44.886-07:00Hi,
I have a quick question about your blog, do yo...Hi,<br />I have a quick question about your blog, do you think you could email me?<br />DavidDavid Haashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08616835462804462281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-69741734927652464182012-05-03T09:46:26.894-07:002012-05-03T09:46:26.894-07:00I'm well out of your league and a bit of a plo...I'm well out of your league and a bit of a plodder but i can't agree more. I'll take it further and mix up the long stuff with all sorts of short fast fells, half's tens and cross training as well.Fliphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07082545818686772732noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-42802923502957188252012-05-03T04:12:58.930-07:002012-05-03T04:12:58.930-07:00Thanks Ian. Much appreciated!
Good luck with Tran...Thanks Ian. Much appreciated!<br /><br />Good luck with Transvulcania. The clash of the titans!Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12642801966035986262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-76709786477936505552012-05-02T09:40:39.133-07:002012-05-02T09:40:39.133-07:00I did wonder who would recognize me at a half mara...I did wonder who would recognize me at a half marathon and turned around but couldn't tell who'd shouted - thanks. Hope your WS training's going well.sharmanianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14079178597179728898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-59031293789895343692012-05-02T09:39:47.720-07:002012-05-02T09:39:47.720-07:00Thomas,
You obviously don't want to overdo yo...Thomas,<br /><br />You obviously don't want to overdo your training and racing and get overly tired, plus this can lead to a higher chance of injury. But racing halves and shorter distance races at full effort is generally fine, even as a training run - that's the benefit because they don't cause nearly as much damage to the body as a marathon or ultra. If you want a 13 mile tempo run then you can do that outside of an event just as easily and cheaper too. Personally I use treadmills for this and run at marginally below half marathon effort for 13 miles. <br /><br />The longer distances can also be great training runs but may need to be run a little off maximum effort if they aren't the focus event - the longer it is, the more time it'll take to recover and the higher the chance of injury if you constantly do long races at full intensity. Plus it's difficult to train if you do a lot of ultras at full effort - you'd be constantly recovering or tapering.sharmanianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14079178597179728898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-17441181556976033192012-05-02T05:26:03.707-07:002012-05-02T05:26:03.707-07:00@Alex, yeah, that makes sense. I was leaning in th...@Alex, yeah, that makes sense. I was leaning in the same direction actually. Thanks for your 2 cents!Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12642801966035986262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-61325608646812950562012-05-01T13:52:12.111-07:002012-05-01T13:52:12.111-07:00Nice run, Ian! That was me cheering at 5K. Hope ...Nice run, Ian! That was me cheering at 5K. Hope you enjoyed the race as much as the post-run Ninkasi.-OOJoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06144004855415793083noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-2238689333798581702012-05-01T08:42:52.644-07:002012-05-01T08:42:52.644-07:00@Thomas,
I would lean towards doing 4-6 miles at ...@Thomas,<br /><br />I would lean towards doing 4-6 miles at "actual" half marathon race pace as a workout on the road or track and then doing a half marathon race just a little slower than you could do it... like 10-15 s/mile slower and don't "kick" the last 2-3. It's that last few % that cause much of the damage.<br /><br />I think there's an aerobic benefit but also a benefit to running form.<br /><br />Sorry for inserting my 2 cents...Alex McDanielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14306409821857455131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-86430886878353249802012-05-01T04:08:22.169-07:002012-05-01T04:08:22.169-07:00I think you are making a good and interesting poin...I think you are making a good and interesting point but am not 100% sure what that means for my training though.<br /><br />So if I want to take the above into account and prepare for a race like the WS100<br /><br />In training:<br />a) Should I be RACING a HM? (for me that's eyeballs out and as fast as possible and probably sore hamstrings for a week)<br /><br />b) Should I add efforts to my training and run 5 miles (or any other distance below 13 miles) at HM RACE pace? (which is a shorter effort and would leave me with less sore legs since it's much easier to recover from)<br /><br />c) Should I be running a HM but below an actual race effort? (that would again allow a better recovery)<br /><br /><br />ThomasThomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12642801966035986262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-61564636546422165982012-05-01T03:05:03.509-07:002012-05-01T03:05:03.509-07:00If it's a race like Hardrock, i agree that Ken...If it's a race like Hardrock, i agree that Kenyan athletes wouldnt dominate without specific training,but for most mountain ultras,in my opinion, they would kill it. Most of these guys were born at altitude, they grew up and trained in the mountains at altitude and are very mentally strong. Not a bad start!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-78869747636646835902012-05-01T02:07:48.361-07:002012-05-01T02:07:48.361-07:00One of the rough indicators of LT pace is 15 mile ...One of the rough indicators of LT pace is 15 mile race pace.. So yes it is very close like 3 or 4 seconds a mile. And unless you have regular testing for LT then you probably don't know what your LT pace is so a half is a good LT pace run for MOST people.John Pricehttp://runvb2vb.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-57439867952588426482012-04-30T23:40:58.486-07:002012-04-30T23:40:58.486-07:00Completely agree with your view on this. Trail onl...Completely agree with your view on this. Trail only running is not quite diverse enough to keep your flat road speed up. I know with my running club since I joined I can run closer to our best runners on the road, but lose out on hilly trails as iam less experienced in this environment (and am to scared to do hill repeat training sessions). I note Anton and Geoff roes don't train fast but they don't run short racesAlex Gillespiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02000196245800138653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-738657244838174182012-04-30T23:39:48.202-07:002012-04-30T23:39:48.202-07:00good to hear- making my half début this weekend as...good to hear- making my half début this weekend as part of my TNF100 Aust prep (2 weeks later)....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-379797745883386200.post-18073208855676439552012-04-30T23:36:21.687-07:002012-04-30T23:36:21.687-07:00Is half-marathon pace really close to your lactate...Is half-marathon pace really close to your lactate threshold? Doubtful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com